Swift Continental
IO-360 Information Page Two
CONT 210 "BLOW-OUT"... (8399)
From: "Allen E. Andersen" <72032.237@compuserve.com>
Subject: August #1 GTS Internet Update
Concerning the 210 Continetal oil story about "blowing out" excess oil.
I would check the condition of the rings in the engine. Here is why I
suggest that, and I hope that my explanation is neither too complex or
overly simplifies the problem.
The internal parts of all aircraft
engines are lubricated with "splash oil" (except the bearings and pressurized
oil areas) which is just another way of saying that the cam faces and
cam follower are enveloped in an oil "mist" during operation. Since this
oil mist is all over the inside of the crankcase, and the crankcase is
vented to the outside air via the breather, ideally the flow between the
inside and outside of the crankcase is minimal, only enough to equalize
the pressure.
This does not happen if you are leaking
an excessive amount past your rings however. Most of the "blowing oil
problems" I've seen are a result of this phenomina. The "blowby" past
the rings produces higher pressure inside the crankcase, (from the compression
stroke) and creates a continuous flow of air out the breather tube to
equalize the pressure, taking the oil mist with it. This will be noticed
by the "oil belly" on your airplane, and dripping an excessive amount
out of your breather tube after you shut down. Some engines, which have
a history of blowby , have an air/ oil separator installed to recapture
some of the oil which otherwise would blow overboard with the flow of
the air out of the crankcase. Most newer styles of pistons and rings alleviate
the problem and very few modern engines even bother having an air /oil
separator installed, since a properly seated rings all but eliminate blowby.
Another clue for diagnosing blowby
is the color of the oil on the dipstick. If it turns black within 10 hours
of an oil change, you probably have a ring problem and blowby (screen
type engines). Filter type engines you'll probably seen some evidence
within 15 hours of a change. The premature blackness of the oil is caused
by carbon contaminates, which are products of the combustion in the upper
cylinder, leaking past the rings and collecting in the oil.
Many of the new cylinder/ piston/ring
sets which are being sold now have done a much better job of sealing the
upper cylinder from the crankcase to prevent blowby. My 0300-D used to
consume about a quart every 4 hours or so, but when I overhauled it and
put new Millenium cylinders on it, it dropped to a quart every 8-10 hours,
and the oil stays pretty clear even after 20 hours of use.
One more thing I have noticed. If
you do a compression check and everything checks out within limits, you
may have an excessive amount of oil in the cylinder, which will have the
effect of sealing the rings and making them look better than they are
during normal operation. You can minimize this effect by doing a compression
check when the engine is still hot, as the oil will not seal the rings
quite as well as cold viscous oil will.
IO-360 OIL LOSS... (9199)
From: peetking@earthlink.net (Pete King)
Hi, Jim,
Reading responses to my problem of rapid oil loss tells me some clarification
may be needed. My engine has 1430scmoh and has always acted exactly the
same way. As long as no more than 6 qts are put in oil usage is "normal".
If I put in more than 6 qts, the excess will disappear in an hour or so.
Compression has ranged from 76+ down to the present 70 -- belly normally
dry except after being upside down a bit -- I wonder if all the oil pans
are the same? Mark(?) mentioned a similar problem in a different model
IO-360 at higher quantities. I've learned to live with 6 qts but would
improve it if I could.
Pete,
I don't have much operating experience with the 210. 50 hours at most,
mostly in Doc Goodlads Swift which I converted in 1977. I never had that
problem. Mark had that with an IO-360K in a Cessna XP. Maybe others with
more experience will write. -- Jim
PETE KING GETS CONTINENTAL IO-360
BEYOND OVERHAUL ADVICE... (10299)
In the last update Swifter Pete King, <peetking@earthlink.net>,
wrote:
Subject: It's gone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My IO- 360D is approaching it's 1500 hour TBO -- but still has 70+ on
all cyl. and good oil consumption. Since both my crank and case are junk
at overhaul, I'm in no hurry to do it. Does anyone have any suggestions
about things to watch as the time builds?
Pete;
The IO-360 is not considered a good engine for TBO busting, but local
Bob and Deb Bailey have something like 2300 hours on theirs and it still
runs fine, although it leaks a lot of oil. They have delayed overhaul
for the same reason as you, buying that VAR crank. As long as yours runs
good and has good compression, I would just keep. running it. "Doc" Goodlad
has one I overhauled about 25 years ago and it's starting to use oil,
but it still runs good, "Doc" is 70 some years old and has no plans to
overhaul the engine. That stupid AD note is why. When we overhauled it
25 years ago we installed a brand new crank, but of course, not a VAR.
On yours, I would change oil regularly, and check the screen or filter
carefully, and run it. -- Jim
PUMP MAKES NOISE... (10499)
From: Pete King <peetking@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel and air
My Dukes pump has a hum when running - Is this symptomatic of eminent
rebuild? Seems to me I had to do some fix to it once before. Regards,
Pete
Pete:
I'm not sure what you consider a hum, all Dukes pumps make noticeable
sound in hi boost and somewhat less sound in lo boost. Perhaps more experienced
210 pilots will comment. -- Jim
180 NOSE CAP FOR 210HP CONT MOD...
(10499)
I'm looking for a Cessna 180 cowling nose cap to make the proper modification
to my cowling for the Cont IO360 STC. The drawing calls for part number
0752011-4. Does anyone know what year and model Cessna 180 this is from,
and does anyone know where I can find one? -- Jon Ewing <jonwewing@cs.com>
Jon:
I've done 2, the first one I ordered right from Cessna, this was 20 years
ago and I thought the price was high then. The other I got from a Cessna
dealer that was selling excess inventory. It turned out not to be the
exact p/n (it was an earlier model) but it worked out great. -- Jim
BIG MOTOR SWIFT IN SOUTH AFRICA...,,(11299)
Subj: SWIFT 210 CONVERSION
From: Gary Williams <garyjw@Intekom.co.za>
Jim,
I am nearing completion of a 210HP conversion into my Globe Swift GC1B.
I have some queries regarding the fuel supply system, please can you help:
1. Does the fuel supply line to the engine have to be increased in diameter
to deliver the increased fuel supply. 2. The IO360 D engine originally
comes off a high wing Cessna 337, would there be a substantial change
in fuel pressure adjustment on the injector pump. 3. The fuel return line
is connected to the fuel gauge neck without a check valve, is this sufficient.
4. Are there any special fuel supply requirements that need to be considered.
I am a licensed AP mechanic, and the aircraft is registered in the LS1
category in South Africa which permits me to carry out the necessary modifications.
I would appreciate some assistance in this regard, or please forward me
to someone who has carried out this conversion. Thank-you. Regards, Gary
Williams - South Africa
Gary,
While a few US Swifters have done their own 210 conversions, most are
in accordance with the Merlyn Products STC. (Supplemental Type Certificate)
The 3/8" lines are adequate. (AN6) The fact the 337 has a high wing
doesn't affect the fuel flow. The return line should preferably go to
near the top of the standpipe, no check valve is needed, I have seen airplanes
where the mechanic who did the work "cheated" and used the old 1/8" pipe
primer port at the lower forward corner of the sump (trap, I think its
called in the Parts Catalog). I think this is a bad idea and air bubbles
might make their way to the engine and cause problems. There is a Cessna
screen which replaces the Swift gascolator screen perfectly. I'm not sure
of the part number, but I think it's used on all the fuel injected IO-360's
thru IO-520's. Some Swifts with the stock Swift screen have had injector
problems. I did Bill Goodlads 210 conversion about 25 years ago and used
that screen and he has never had any problem. I have quite a bit of data
on the IO-360 here, if I can be of further assistance let me know. --
Jim
IO-360 CONTINENTAL FUEL PUMP/PRESSURE
QUESTIONS... (11499)
Subject: Re: 210 cont conversion
From: Gary Williams <garyjw@intekom.co.za>
Thank-you for your response to my question regarding the 210 HP Continental
conversion. I still have some queries regarding the fuel pressure adjustment
on the engine driven fuel pump, and was wondering if you would be able
to offer some advice:
1. What is the recommended pressure
adjustment at full power setting.
2. What is the normal fuel consumption in gph indicated on the fuel flow
gauge on the panel at full power setting.
3. Is there a quick check method using the gph gauge on the panel to ensure
that the fuel pressure (and hence quantity) is sufficient.
4. What pressure can one expect to read on the instrument panel using
the original fuel pressure gauge( as per the C125 installation, in psi)
connected at the outlet of the fuel divider unit, where the fuel consumption
gauge in gph would normally be connected on the IO-360 Continental motor.
Gary,
To start with #4. Forget the original fuel pressure ga. It doesn't read
high enough. Try to get a fuel flow/manifold pressure gauge, possibly
from a 337 Cessna. These gauges are really fuel pressure gauges, but the
psi and gph are approximately the same. The gauge you want has a scale
up to 20 pounds or so. Max pressure in hi boost is 18 psi. Normal range
is 4 1/2 - 11 gph (green arc) Min. is 3 psi. You know you have to wire
in resistors to obtain a high and low boost from the Dukes pump right?
You need high boost for engine starting and low boost for emergency use
if the engine pump fails, also once in a while you need low boost with
a cold engine to keep it running until it starts hitting on all 6 cylinders
and reaches 1000 rpm or so on start up. You can't tell anything about
fuel quantity from fuel pressure! Except, of course, if you run out, the
pressure goes to zero! I have a complete manual here someplace on the
TCM fuel injection system, but I couldn't locate it today when I looked
for it. You probably don't need to worry about making any fine adjustments,
just start it up and see how it runs. I will look again for that manual
if you have further questions. -- Jim
DUKES OF NORTHRIDGE??? (060100)
Subject: Dukes boost pump
From: Snaglefraz@aol.com
Jim, can you tell me what city in Calif. the Dukes, Inc. business is in.
They recondition the IO360 cont. boost pump.Thanks, Mike
Mike,
I looked on a Dukes Pump and all it said was Dukes Inc. Northridge, CA
so I looked it up in www.switchboard.com and it came up: Dukes Inc. 9060
Winetka Ave. Northridge, CA 91924 (818) 998-9811
IO-360 OPERATION AND FUEL PRESSURES...
(070500)
From: Perry Sisson <Diamond2055@aol.com>
Hello Jim, My question for the month is, can fuel totalizer transducers
be rebuilt? I have the Swiftronics RT-100. It seems to have fuel stains
on the top where the wires come out. I happened to find this while removing
the complete fuel injection system from my engine. If they cannot be rebuilt
is there a replacement for it? Also, I removed the fuel injection system
for overhaul because I had the following things happening. 1) When I would
hit the fuel boost switch, the pump would run like it should to a certain
point , building pressure and then would go to a high rev and build no
more pressure. The last few starts, the pressure built less than before,
but the engine still started on the first blade or two. The Dukes pump
was overhauled in 1992. I am planning on sending it in for overhaul at
this time. 2) In the last month of flying I have noticed white exhaust
stains on the belly, they used to be gray. I understand this is a sign
of a lean running engine. I usually lean to 11.6 GPH at two thousand feet
and above. Below two thousand feet I run full rich. So I think I am not
starving it for fuel. 3) When I top off the tanks it always takes less
than the fuel totalizer says it will take. 4) This is the big one, I have
seen higher cylinder Temp. than normal and running full rich at even 6,000
feet does not bring the Temp. down. I am planning on sending the
fuel injection system to a company in MI. called Approved Aircraft Accessories.
Or do you know of a better shop? I cannot find the yellow tag from when
I had the Duke's pump rebuilt. So do you know where I could send it for
overhaul? I guess I am asking more than one question here, sorry about
that. Hope you are doing well. -- Perry Sisson
Perry,
Most of what you ask is beyond my experience. I have built up a couple
210 Swifts and even flown them a few hours but you certainly have more
operating experience with them. To start, I don't know much about fuel
totalizers but I would suggest you contact the manufacturer with your
question. If you can't figure out how to do that, I would suggest you
call Ron Williamson from the number in the Swift membership book. For
questions about a Dukes pump call Dukes themselves. Get in <www.switchboard.com>
and click on "find a business" and enter "Dukes" and "Northridge, CA"
this will get you their phone number and address. I'm not sure what to
tell you about the way your injection system is acting, it doesn't sound
to me like a problem with the pump. Perhaps another 210 operator will
answer you. Do you have an EGT guage? It sounds like you need one. Several
guys I know have sent their fuel injection system to that outfit in MI
and as far as I know they are good. -- Jim
CABIN HEAT MUFF FOR CONTINENTAL
IO-360... (100100)
From: Phil Howell <POPPAPOU@aol.com>
As a relative new Swift owner (N3313K) , living in an area that has some
snow each winter, I was wondering if any one out there has an approved
heat muff instillation for the 210 Cont. Mine has a heat control, but
nothing else. I can fabricate a muff if someone has an approval document
and/or drawings. Many thanks, Phil
Phil,
I feel that is a minor alteration, because the muff is for cabin heat.
Several of the local 210 Swift owners here in the frozen north have fabricated
muffs for picking up heat for the heater. I don't know of a stock muff
(Piper or Cessna etc.) that will work with the Swift cowl. -- Jim
CG ON 210 CONVERSION... (100400)
Subj: Swift Likes to Dive too Much...
From: Bill Jacobs <wjacobs@sybase.com>
I've nearly finished a Cont. IO360 conversion with a McCauley "late
style" prop. All approved. The heavy engine and prop have resulted
in a nicely noseheavy beast. Looking at extra lead for the tail and a
lightweight starter doesn't quite get me where I need to be. That leaves
the battery, right? Have you ever seen or heard of approvals via STC or
337 to move the battery further back in the tail than the bulkhead behind
the baggage compartment? I ran the numbers, and moving the battery 30
inches back (2 bulkheads) puts my numbers in the money - 2 people, full
fuel and 100 # of baggage and I'm still well fwd of the rearward limit.
Any other thoughts? Bill
Bill,
As you know the STC for the IO-360 includes moving the battery to aft
of the baggage compartment. Some Swifters have moved it further aft on
a field approval. I don't know of a multiple use STC to move the battery
further aft. I have used AC 43.13-2A Chapter 10 as a reference for relocating
a battery. I moved the battery forward almost 10 feet in a Cessna UC-78
to correct an aft CG problem. I called my FAA inspector and asked if I
could send over a 337 form for field approval and he said, "Just
sign it and send it through". I don't think the young FAA guys would
be that easy to get along with, but a field approval shouldn't be too
hard. -- Jim
TIME FOR THE IO-360... (100301)
Subj: IO 360
From: Ed Lloyd <edlloydaustin@juno.com>
Hi Jim. Hope you had a good day. The time is nearing when I pull the C-145
and start the task of mounting the Continental IO 360. I intend to keep
the original cowling and baffle for downflow cooling. Chatted with Claude
Morgan and got some pointers from him since he did the same thing. I have
belly tanks giving me all the fuel I want initially. Maybe later I'll
add the wing tanks and remove the belly tanks. Question is, do I have
to do a gross weight increase without the wing tanks?
Ed
You don't have to have the gross wt. increase technically. As a matter
of real world operations, you might be over 1710 lb. with yourself and
maybe 10 gallons of gas. If you want to be completely legal, you will
need the GW increase if you ever want to carry a passenger and full fuel.
Think about it, if the EW is 1400 (not uncommon for a 210 Swift) plus
19 lb of oil, plus 222 lb of fuel, plus 340 lb for pilot and passenger
= 1981 lb. So at that load you are even over the 1970 lb GW. Of course,
if you can keep the EW down to 1300 lb, you will even be able to carry
some baggage! I didn't know you had picked up a 210 engine, I knew you
were looking for one. I haven't heard from you in a while, keep in touch.
-- Jim
CONTINENTAL IO-360-D OIL PUMP...(120401)
Subj: Re: IO 360 D
From: Ed Lloyd <edlloydaustin@juno.com>
Jim, there's something that has me puzzled. When I pulled the plate that
covers the oil pump gears, I removed the drive gear that has the shaft
on it, part # 634010. The oil pump drive gear that it turns, part #633602,
did not have a woodruff key in there. There is a woodruff slot in the
shaft and a woodruff key way in the driven gear and the only thing that
was holding it tight was the tach drive connector! Looking in the illustrated
parts book, they don't show a key in the parts breakdown. Is that the
way it should be? I'm going to remove the tach drive adapter, part #641531,
when I go back together with the engine. I will use a cover, part #632475,
and part #642121-1RH must be removed to allow the cover plate to fit.
Will use Electronics International Digital tach which gets it's signal
from the mags. Would there be anything wrong with leaving the angle tach
drive on the engine? Who knows there may be a need for it some day. Would
you happen to have any push rod housing tubes, part #632141, around the
hangar? I have a few that have gotten corroded and I want to replace them.
Cheers........Ed
Ed
Check your AD notes. AD 81-13-10 calls for removal of that key. That one
puzzled me at first, until you think about it. If the pump gets stalled,
from a foreign object or just thick oil, that key would shear. If the
proper torque is on the nut, it might slip, but not disengage the oil
pump completely. With the proper torque on the nut and the designed taper
on the gear, it will never slip ordinarily. If you cap that tach drive,
leaving it on the engine would be Ok. I don't have any push rod tubes.
Dennis Gehring has a source of discounted TCM IO-360 parts. He gave me
a sales flyer, but I misplaced it. Contact him at <Swift1946@aol.com>
-- Jim
TACHOMETER...(020402)
Subj: N3313K Tachometer
From: Dick Wilfong <dwilfong@hinklelawfirm.com>
Monty, I am the new owner of N3313K. When I bought the airplane a couple
of months ago the electronic tachometer was only working off of one Mag.
When doing a runup check the indicator needle just falls to zero when
switched to the left mag. the engine is a Cont. IO-360G1 with Bendix mags.
The prior owner said that the transducer? that sends the signal from that
mag had gone bad, therefore the connection had been switched to the P-lead.
Whatever, I want to fix the problem. I have access to the drive mechanism
that attaches to the back of the engine for a mechanical tach (not much
room) so I could install it and a mechanical tach, or I could install
another type of electronic tach that receives its signals differently
that the tach that I now have. If there is an electronic tach that would
work that would seem to be the easier route to take. I would certainly
appreciate your helpful advise on this. Thanks, Dick Wilfong
Dick
That is a characteristic of a cheap non-TSO'ed tachometer, they just hook
into the "P" lead circuit. (not legal on a certified airplane)
(think about it, if the tach grounds out, you lose the mag!) If it was
formerly wired up in a manner that worked, the setup might be ok, in which
case you should contact the tach manufacturer and find out what you need.
To install a mechanical tach on an IO-360 you need some scarce and high
priced parts parts off an airplane like a Cessna XP. (unless you have
an IO-360A) If you can't determine what kind of electrical tach you have,
I would suggest you buy a whole new tach setup for the TCM IO-360. I believe
the Bendix mags for many airplanes have senders for an electric tach.
-- Jim
ED ANSWERS HIS OWN QUESTION...050102)
To: Swift31B@aol.com
Subject: Oil Cooler
Mornin Jim. Question on oil coolers. The Cont 210 engine I bought came
off a Maule. It is a IO 360 D-33A. Picture atch. The oil cooler on the
engine is not exactly like the coolers normally seen on the IO 360 D engines.
Specifically, the # two cylinder does not have a 'cast' intake valve cover
with the helicoil for the carriage bolt and shoe installation. You will
notice in the picture that the oil cooler installed on my engine has a
diagonal bar across the top. There is a similar bar across the bottom
in the opposite direction. Can't find a part # on the cooler. Various
ones have told me it's the wrong oil cooler for the engine. My judgment
is that if it worked on the Maule installation, it will work on the Swift.
What are your thoughts? I will contact Continental Tech Services and see
what they say. Cheers..............Ed
Time passes...
Jim, Well I answered my own question on the cooler. What I have is the
'short' oil cooler that was put on the IO 360A. It is part # 627392. The
later model IO 360s had the 'long' cooler, part # 646880. Continental
said it is ok to use the short cooler if I don't have an oil temp problem.
I called Vaughn at Swift Works and he says he has seen both on the IO
360s. Sooooo, I'm going to see if'n I got a oil temp problem, and if not,
I'll run the short cooler. Cheers..............Ed
CONTINENTAL IO-360 CRANKSHAFT STUFF...(050302)
Subj: RE: Swift
From: Angon Barnes-Webb <a.barnes-webb@bowman.co.za>
Thanks Jim, I guess my first question was something akin to asking "how
long is a piece of string" and hence pretty much unfieldable! One
immediate question tho' : my aircraft is in the SA equivalent of your
experimental category, and hence doesn't have to comply with all mandatory
engine modifications. The one I am concerned about (all others are being
done) is wether I should replace my crankshaft with the VAR crank, at
a landed cost in SA of USD 4000 ;advice from my AMO is that the existing
crank is comfortably within spec.,and the problems Continental experienced
on the IO360 crank were so few that unless I wanted to return the aircraft
to full commercial category, it wasn't justified by the cost. I've agreed
with him, but an independent view (which I won't hold you to) would be
insightful. Many thanks Anton
Anton
I have never believed in that VAR crank AD note. The first VAR cranks
had a lot more problems than the Airmelt cranks. The service history of
the IO-360 showed a few failures of the Airmelt cranks, but my personal
theory is that most of those were due to unlogged prop strikes. Regardless,
we are stuck with that AD note here in the US. With your "experimental"
category you don't have to replace the crank, and I wouldn't. -- Jim
ED NEEDS MONTY'S WISDOM ON THE CONTINENTAL IO-360 INSTALLATION...(090402)
Subj: Cont. IO360 installation
From: Ed Robertson <swiftr1@aol.com>
Hi Jim,
I'm putting a factory reman engine in '42B & am having some challenges.
When the induction tubes are reversed for the original cowling, the oil
filler tube is in the way. On the old engine I was able to work the filler
tube out of the accessory case & cut it down. I hate to mutilate this
engine if I can avoid it! If I could rotate the tube about 45 degrees
I think it would fit. How have you tackled this problem? Is there any
way the original cowling will fit without reversing the induction? I need
your wisdom! Best Regards, Ed Robertson
Ed
The 210 installations I have done used a modified original cowl without
reversing the induction system. To do this it is necessary to tilt the
cowl up a little to provide clearance with the induction system. Many
guys don't want to do that because it involves adding some doublers to
the bottom cowl and trimming off the upper cowl, and doesn't look quite
as good. There are also different engine mounts which permit the use of
the stock cowl without modifications. I haven't done an IO-360 conversion
for many years, so I forwarded your note to Dennis Ghering, who is in
the middle of one right now. I still haven't heard from him. I will send
you a reply soon. Jim
DENNIS GHERING REPLIES RE: THE IO-360 DEAL...(090402)
From: Dennis Ghering <swift1946@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Cont. IO360 installation
Jim:
I had to cut and weld my oil filler tube to fit. He should be able to
heat the area on the case around the filler tube and remove it without
damaging anything and swap it with the old one or modify the new one,
same goes with the oil dipstick. Use a heat gun, The tuble will come out
easy. We made Harry's original cowling fit without reversing the induction
system. It tells how to do it on the stc.plans. -- Dennis
SUCCESS FOR ED ON THE IO-360 DEAL...(090402)
From: SWIFTR1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cont. IO360 installation
Jim,
Thanks for the help. I was able to turn the filler tube 90 degrees by
putting torque on it with a strap wrench & applying some percussive
persuasion with a dead-blow hammer. Had sprayed some PB-Blaster (great
stuff!!) on the joint before. I think that the bend in the tube will now
make it clear the induction tube. Hope you're doing well, Ed.
CONTINENTAL
IO-0360 INFO... (OCT 02)
From: Larry.Owen@Tenethealth.com (Owen, Larry)
Hi Monty
I have an option to purchase an IO-360-H , 1100 hours, running when stored/sealed
in 1997, for under $7500. I would be upgrading from an O-300. Is there
anything about the 360-H that I should be concerned about? I assume the
VAR crank mess still applies but I might easily take ten years to put
another 400 hours on an engine. Just your thoughts, Thanks ! Larry Owen
N78287 El Paso, Texas 915-577-6832
Larry
I don't know much about IO-360-H. I do know there are two types of crankshafts
(not related to the VAR factor) that require different props to be compatible.
For example, the IO-360A-C and D require the Maule type prop which was
on the original STC. I don't know if the later crankshaft and prop are
approved. Call Merlyn and ask. Their contact information is on the Swift
site. What year was that engine manufactured? They started installing
VAR cranks in the 80s I believe. Jim
CONTINENTAL IO-360
OIL PRESSURE QUESTION...(NOV 02)
From: William Roberson <attywfr@yahoo.com>
Subject: Oil Pressure Questions
I'd like to hear from Continental IO-360 owners what kinds of oil pressures
they see. Although I see 50-60 pounds at startup and for about 10 minutes
thereafter on a 50 degree day, mine drops to 30 pounds in cruise (23 inches
and 2400 rpm) after the oil temp gets up into the green arc. The Continental
book says anything below thirty is unnacceptable. Wondering what other
Continental IO-360 owners are seeing. Anyone with input please respond
to attywfr@yahoo.com or to the newsletter. Thanks, Will
Swifter Mike Kennedy replies
to Will's question...
Will, If you have 30psi you are good and you can run forever without a
problem, but a little more makes me feel better. There are two factors
I have found, other than a tired engine/oil pump, that can effect your
hot oil psi. One is the gage itself. I have found gages that are reading
up to 10 psi off on the low side -- i.e., reading 30 psi but checking
with another gage reads 40 psi. The second is the relief valve spring
pressure is low. Depending on the engine model/age you have either an
adjustable relief valve or a set (spring in housing) valve. The relief
valve is near the oil cooler. The
adjustable is just that and the pressure can be bumped up by turning in
the adjustment screw. With the spring only valve you can put a washer
or two under the spring to get the pressure up. I show about 35-40 psi
hot. Be careful to not over due it as if you show much over 60psi during
a cold start you can blow the oil cooler gasket with to high a pressure.
Of course, only make these adjustments after making sure your gage is
showing the right psi. You can swap gages or put a gage on a temporary
T-fitting to check the readings. -- Michael Kennedy
CG QUESTION FOR 210HP SWIFT... (JAN 03)
Subj: Re: Swift Landing Gear
From: joem@totalseal.com (Joe Moriarty)
Dear Monty; Our Swift is now a 210 hp version (Merlin STC) We have 150
seats in the A/C. Can you suggest any optimum CG for empty weight conditions?
By the way empty weight is 1416. We carry the stock fuel at this point.
As is now CG is 28.19. Battery is directly behind the baggage compartment.
Hate to move the battery box, but that is an option I suppose. We have
been told that the A/C is faster with aft C/G, but how far aft should
we go? Much obliged. Joe Moriarty and Mike Handshew.
Joe & Mike
The aft limit for the 210 STC is 33.0. By restricting the aft limit Hugh
Evans was able to avoid spin resting. A Swift, like most airplanes is
faster with an aft CG. The stock aft limit is 34.7 and the Swift is fastest
at that number. You must weigh the pros and cons (excuse the pun) of any
CG beyond 33.0. 33.0 is the legal limit but 34.7 is probably safe enough.
28.19 is out of the foreward limit, work out some sample loadings and
see where the loaded CG falls. If a typical load is foreward of the 33.0
limit you probably won't get optimum speed. The airplane is much easier
to land with an aft CG also. Try throwing some ballast in the baggage
compartment and see how you like the flight characteristics. -- Jim
ED IS STRUGGLING WITH HIS
IO-360... (JAN03)
Subj: IO360 EGT problem
From: Ed Robertson <swiftr1@aol.com>
Hi Jim,
Here is what I'm struggling with. The EGT on #2 cylinder increases as
I reduce MP from about 20"hg down to under 15". This is with
full rich mixture. It increases to about mid range on the Alcor gage.
It is normal (comparable with the others) at higher power levels. I reversed
the induction system for the original cowl installation, so #'s 1 &
2 are closest to the throttle body. Here's what I've done to date:
(1) I cleaned the injector with no change, then I swapped that injector
with cyl #6 after cleaning both. No Joy! (2) Pulled that portion of the
induction tube. Found a burr on the flange & filed it down. I added
some Loctite gasket maker to the gasket when I mounted it back on. Figured
I had the problem licked. Not so! Symptom remained. (3) Plugged the intake
at the filter port & applied pressure thru the spark plug hole with
intake valve open. Looked for leaks with soapy water. Found bubbles at
rubber connection between #'s 2 & 4. Tightened & eliminated bubbles
- no other leaks found, but the pressure was very low. Figured I surely
had it now. Nope! The symptom was unchanged on the test flight.
I tried a better plug on the intake but was unable to get more pressure
for a better leak test. The cylinder is a couple of psi lower than the
others on the compression test. No static leak is evident. Any ideas???
Best Regards, Ed Robertson
Ed
It seems you have tried all the things I might suggest. Maybe someone
will read this and come up with an explanation and solution. It seems
like the #2 cylinder gets a lean mixture when throttleing back. If it
only happens below 20" maybe it doesn't make any difference! -- Jim
ED LLOYS HAS SOME HELP FOR ED ROBERTSON’S FUEL INJECTION PROBLEMS...
(JAN 03)
From: "Ed Lloyd" <swift3856k@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Fuel Injection Problems
Morning Ed. Read your dilema with manifold pressure on Denis web page.
I have a contact for you to try at Aircraft Fuel Injection Service, Inc.
in Dallas. I had my entire fuel injection system overhauled by them a
couple months ago. David Hilliard was the technician that did the work
and I had occasion to talk with him about the fuel injection system on
the IO360D, very knowlegable guy. His phone # 214 358-2377. You might
try describing your problem with David. He told me he has overhauled /
worked on fuel injection systems for 20+ years. If that doesn't work let
me know, I have another contact that works for ECI in San Antonio and
he runs their test cell at New Braunfels, TX. Cheers.........Ed Lloyd
Ed,
Thanks for the contact. I called David Hilliard & he gave me some
ideas. He thinks I may have an obstruction in the line between the fuel
manifold and the injector. I'll check it out the next time I have the
hangar warmed up. I'm also going to do the "coke bottle test"
to check for any big differences in the amount of fuel the different injectors
are delivering. Unfortunately, I have preserved the engine for a couple
of months of down time while winter does it's thing, so it will be a while
before I fly to test any "fixes." Continental requires this
to keep the cylinder warranty in effect. If anyone wants some of the MIL
Spec preservative oil, I had to buy 5 gallons, so we could probably work
out a deal for a quart or two (or 3). Best Regards, Ed Robertson
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