MONTY THE ANSWER MAN ARCHIVE
HISTORY & PRODUCTION PAGE 2
SWIFT SERIAL NUMBER
2 NOT THE FIRST PRODUCTION SWIFT... (010100)
Subject: first and last
Denis: Here's a letter I sent to HG Frautchy at the EAA.............
I was very interested in your pictures of Lou Leftwich's Swift in the
December issue. However, I must correct you. NC33336, s/n #2 is a preproduction
prototype. The first production Swift is NC80500, s/n 3. I myself am the
caretaker of N2460B -- the LAST Swift built in 1951. (picture attached)
That picture was taken in 1998 after Mark Holliday ferried it here to
MN. Restoration has begun, a restored Swift can't be painted, right? Unfortunately,
after the paint was removed, a lot of bondo was revealed, so some major
reskinning is in order. -- Jim Montague EAA 42062 AC 1310
STEVE WILSON WITH A GLOBE
From: Steve Wilson <SteveWlson@aol.com>
In a message dated 9/28/00 21:21:27 Central Daylight Time, firstname.lastname@example.org
writes: << Pop Johnson was the Jim Bede of the 1940s. (In some respects...)
He went to a Culver Cadet dealer and "borrowed" it on the excuse he wanted
his personal mechanic to look the airplane over before buying one.>>
"Pop" Johnson either took
a job as a Culver salesman, or represented himself as one, otherwise your
rendition is accurate. This information was told to me in 1968 by former
Swift dealer Bob McKissick who lived near the Ft. Worth plant and was
intimately familiar with Globe and the Swift. He also knew "Pop" Johnson.
Some of you who remember the Winchester, VA fly ins of the early 70's
might remember that Bob attended a dinner there and gave a history of
the Swift. Interestingly, his stories which were new to us then, turned
out to be VERY accurate later when we talked to people like Bud Knox and
Cotton Conder. Unfortunately, like a lot of folks of that era, Bob has
gone west. I will relate one of his stories which has not been told here
Seems that if you were an
early Globe "Swift" dealer you had to purchase (read... sell) one GC-1A
before you could get a GC-1B. Bob was desperately trying to sell his "one
and only" to a Texas rancher. When he arrived to demonstrate the Swift
there was a Cessna salesman there with a brand new 140. Bob went first
and tried to show the rancher what the Swift could do for him and why
it was wise to buy it. Then the Cessna salesman took the rancher up to
show off the 140. They took off shorter, flew slower, and landed slower
and shorter. As they landed, bored and fearing he had lost the sale, Bob
was perched on the horizontal stabilizer of the Swift, as they taxied
to a stop. The rancher seeing Bob, exited the 140 and immediately attempted
to take up the same position on the 140's horizontal stabilizer. The poor
little 140's tail buckled and Bob sold his GC-1A on the spot! Cheers...
Subj: Globe or Temco
From: Mike Williams <email@example.com>
Is my Swift 78314 a Globe or a Temco? It is in Globe configuration. Mike
N78314, s/n 2314 was near the end of the 1946 production contract where
Temco manufactured 329 Swifts for Globe. Read the note on the serial number
page on the Swift site. I would surmise that s/n 2314 was not sold until
1947 or 1948, and was sold by Temco. So the Airworthiness Certificate
may read "Temco". Some airplanes around this number have both
Globe and Temco data plates on them. N78314 is a Temco built Globe Swift.
But it may be registered as a Temco GC-1B. This has confused many people
over the years. As a matter of interest both N2431B and N2460B were registered
as "Globe" Swifts. Globe Aircraft did not exist after 1947 and
N2431B was made in 1950 and N2460B was made in 1951! It took copies of
the original paperwork to convince the FAA that they were not Globes!
The answer to your question is, N78314 is a Globe Swift, but if it's registered
as a Temco, the sun will still rise in the East tomorrow! -- Jim
SERIAL NUMBER TRIVIA FOR
Subject: Re: s/n trivia
From: Steve Wilson <SteveWlson@aol.com>
I was looking at the wings from N3876K, s/n 3576 today. The right wing's
s/n is 1580. Interesting because if you extrapolate N77753, s/n 3525 should
have been 1530, then 3576 should have been 1581. Not far off! The left
wing s/n is 3555. Just trivia. Probably much of nothing... Take care...
Interesting. I once heard the production of wings was undertaken by Temco
early on and that most of the wings were built by Temco. I have seen ailerons
and flaps with s/n's of 500 or so which indicated these had sequential
Globe s/n's. I suppose back in '46 they really didn't know or care that
50 some years in the future some nuts would be interested in stuff like
that! -- Jim
HOW MANY ARE LEFT... (080201)
Subj: Info on Swift Production
From: Steve Roth <Swift97B@aol.com>
Monty: I want to make up an information poster to display with my Swift
at a local CAF fly-in. I want to indicate the total number of Swifts built,
the relative total number still in license and total (approx) still flying.
I see on the web site that 1498 were built but I need the other numbers
(even if they are a WAG). Can you help? Thanks, Steve
I don't know how many are in license at the present time, there really
isn't any way to tell that from the FAA registration information. I would
guess that about 300 Swifts are still active. I think I checked once and
there are about 700 Swift serial numbers still registered with the FAA,
and maybe 500 of these are flyable or potentially flyable. -- Jim
WHERE IS SWIFT N902B??? (010302)
From: Cotton Conder <FiveNoTrmp@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Swift Newsletter
N902B was a Swift the company kept for us to fly on business trips. I'm
not finding N902B in my copy of your Swift Genealogy Listings.
N902B was not numbered in any of the blocks of numbers like the usual
Swifts. I have no idea of the serial number but would sure like to! It
was numbered like the Buckaroos. For instance, I have a photo of N900B,
which is the prototype Buckaroo with the revised canopy but still has
the Swift cowl. I have long suspected that Swift s/n 3534, N77764 became
the Buckaroo prototype. I suppose we never will find all the Swift serial
numbers, because some were converted into other airplanes even when they
were practically new. Who would guess that 50 years later some nut (me!)
would care about that stuff? -- Jim
Wish I could help you but I do not know whether N2460B was the last Temco
Swift. I checked my log books for 1951 and could not find where I had
flown this ship. During ten months of 1951 I was at Goodfellow AFB San
Angelo, Tx with 3 Buckaroos in competition with the Beech T34 and Fairchild's
Entry for a contract with the AF. During this time I flew a Swift N902B
back and forth to the Temco Plant several times. This plane had a 145
Continental engine. At Christmas time in 1951 I flew this plane to Greenville
Division of Temco. The next day Red Crawford and another employee named
Patterson flew N902B to Dallas Love Field to check on some business with
'then' Pioneer Air Line. On take off coming back the engine failed at
about 400 feet and they tried to make a 180 degree turn back to the field.
They got back to the runway but went in at about a 45 degree angle. Both
were very seriously injured and the plane was totaled. N902B was a Swift
the company kept for us to fly on business trips. I'm not finding N902B
in my copy of your Swift Genealogy Listings. Good luck installing skins
on N2460B. Been there...Done that. Cotton
COTTON CONDER Q & A...(040201)
The following email from Casey Woodard resulted in this Q & A with
ex Globe/Temco employee/pilot Cotton Conder. Interesting stuff for the
history buffs... We also wish Casey the best of luck with his project!
From: Sir Rocks <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Historical Marker at Globe Swift Plant - Please Respond
Dear Sir, I thank you for your wonderful website. My college class and
I in Ft. Worth, Texas are trying to get an historical marker placed at
the old Globe Swift Plant in Saginaw (Ft. Worth). My responsibility for
the project is to interview employees who worked at the plant during the
1940's-70's. Could you tell me of any employees who may have worked at
the plant or any other contacts or webpages that would be helpful to me.
I can't find many people and I am starting to run out of time and would
like to find some people who worked at the plant hopefully by this weekend
or so. If we are successful and get a marker at the plant it would be
a fine tribute to the plant and and its very interesting history. Any
help is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Casey Woodard
Q. What do you know of the origins of the Globe Swift plant?
A. In 1920 the Globe Plant was a manufacturing plant for horse drawn wagons.
Mr. John Clay Kennedy bought the plant that year and the next year converted
it to a chemical plant called Globe Laboratories lasting until about 1940.
He then converted it again into an airplane manufacturing plant known
as Bennett Aircraft Company. He built the Bennett Twin Engine planes but
could not sell them. Mr. Kennedy changed the name to Globe Aircraft Company
in 1943. The company built military AT10 Beech Aircraft by contract until
the end of WW11. After the war the two place Swift was designed. The company
did well at first with this new airplane but produced more planes than
demand allowed, consequently going bankrupt in 1946. The co. in Trusteeship
continued to service customers for another 1 ½ years with only two employees
running the plant. At that time in 1947 Temco Aircraft Company took over
Globe Aircraft Company, and moved everything to their Grand Prairie Plant,
leaving the building vacant. Later in 1957 Bell Helicopter Company took
over the building and continued building helicopters until recent years.
After Bell moved the building stood vacant for a period of time. It then
became a military armory for a short time. At the present time the building
Q. When did you start working at the plant?
A. Hired in late summer of 1945
Q. What was your job at the plant?
A. Field Service Rep. , A & P Mechanic and Pilot
Q. Did you enjoy working there and why?
A. Yes. Wonderful place to work. Good salary. Good benefits and fine people.
Q. Who was the target buyer for the Swift airplane and what made the Swift
A. Doctors, Lawyers and recreational pilots. It was unique in that it
was the first all metal general aviation plane available after WW11.
Q. Approximately how many models of Swifts were manufactured?
A. Only two. GC1A – 85 HP and GC1B – 125 HP
Q. Approximately how many employees worked at the plant at any one time?
A. 900 Employees
Q. Was the plant significant to the surrounding areas and if so how was
A. It furnished employment and did a great war effort
Q. Briefly, what were the reasons the plant closed.
A. The plant over produced causing surplus new planes and eventually went
Q. Do you think the Globe Swift Plant deserves some historical recognition
and if so why?
A. Yes. This building is almost a shrine to Globe Swift owners and pilots
all over the U.S. , plus the great war effort during WWII.
GLOBE AND TEMCO FACTORY TEST PILOTS... (MAR 03)
From: Jim Montague <Swift31B@aol.com>
Subject: Swift question
I haven't heard from you in a while. I hope you are Ok. Mark Holliday
bought a "new" Swift - N78267. I know there weren't supposed
to be any 1947 Swifts, but the test flight in the log was 12-16-47. The
pilot signature is hard to read, but it looks like "J. B. Pitzer"
or something like that. Does that or something similar ring a bell? Jim
As I approach 87, I seem to be feeling better than I have in a long time.
I do not understand your remark "I know there weren't supposed to
be any 1947 Swifts". I have pages of 1947 various Swift flights
in my logs books. Your pilot question brings back many memories of my
old friend Jimmy Pitzer, who was our number 2 test pilot at Temco, but
he never worked at Globe. Lynn Meyers was our chief test pilot at Temco.
For your information and record, the chief test pilot at Globe was Ted
Yarbrough and the number 2 test pilot was Lewis Doan and the number 3
test pilot was Emmit Cook. The rest of us were just check out, service,
and delivery pilots.I do not know after 55 years exactly when Temco started
to build the standard 125 HP Swifts or the date they shut down during
the period of Globe bankruptcy, but, I believe your good records showing
all planes, dates, serial numbers, ect. will answer this question. It
seem to me much of this happened in 1947. Most, if not all, Swifts built
by Temco were flown by either Pitzer of Meyers. You asked me some time
back if I remembered a man named Ben Hammer at Globe A/C. ~He was one
of our A/C structural engineers. He was supposed to be one of the best
at that time. Best regards to Mark Holliday. And I say again...nice hearing
Thanks much for the reply. You are a living treasure. What I meant was,
after the bankruptcy, production stopped. I thought all those Temco built
Standard Swifts - the 2000 serial numbers - were built in 1946. Were some
built in 1947? I know the later ones - like N78300 and up are 1948 Temco
Swifts on the FAA records. For sure that signature is Jimmy Pitzer. The
airplane Mark just got was owned by Jim Walker for about 47 years. He
has it in CO. so I haven't seen it yet. Next time I see Mark I'll have
to find how many Swifts he's had now. The number must be close to 100.
Except Globe and Temco, that must be a record. -- Jim
HOW TEMCO GOT A CRASH TRUCK... (MAR 03)
Got this off a website that has some stories written by ex-Temco employees.
This was the only one that involved Globe...
GLOBE AIRCRAFT-- The second year that I worked at Temco the company bought
Globe Aircraft in Fort Worth out of bankruptcy. Globe was the designer
and producer of a civilian airplane called the Globe Swift. Temco later
produced these aircraft as the TEMCO Swift. Pilots tell me that it is
a good airplane, but that you have to fly it all the time --- it is very
unforgiving of the lazy pilot.
One day shortly after we
bought Globe, Lunday, a line foreman and a fine guy came to me and said,
"I'm heading up a crew to go cannibalize the Globe factory of everything
of value". So you will understand, during WWII an agency was created
called the Defense Plant Corporation which if a defense plant needed a
piece of machinery and could not afford it on their own books the DPC
would buy it for them and let them use it at no cost. Such machinery and
equipment was called GFE (Government Furnished Equipment). We had bought
Globe Aircraft assets and thus had a right to all the company's equipment,
but no right at all to any GFE at Globe. On the way over to Globe Lunday
told all of us that there would be a DPC official there to keep us from
taking off with any GFE.
The DPC man turned out to
be a little wizened, gray, balding sort of guy --- typical civil servant
type --- but with a tongue like Cleopatra's asp. While there for the first
load I grabbed a big rotating standing fan and started to lever it on
to a dolly when the DPC civil servant came running;. "No, NO! Put
that down! That does not go! That is GFE. Can’t you see the tag. Put that
down." I put it down, but he kept his eye on me as I loaded other
stuff. As we went back for the next load Lunday told me that as soon as
we got there that I was to go start loading the big standing fan, I told
him that it was GFE and that the DPC man had told me to leave it alone.
Lunday said for me to go load it anyway, and when the DPC man came up
to give him an argument about it. Question the authenticity of the tag,
ask to see his credentials, tell him you doubt he works for DPC -- any
thing to keep him busy while they get the truck loaded. When we got there
I went over to the fan and started to move it toward the door and sure
enough here came the DPC man with fire in his eye so I did just as Lunday
said. It got pretty hot and heavy and the man from DPC had his arms wrapped
around the fan while the truck was being loaded. Finally when I was about
to wind down Lunday came over and said "Charles, you stupid fool,
can't you see that the fan is GFE? Now get out of this gentleman’s hair
and you go drive the truck around front while I apologize to this gentleman
for your stupidity." I drove the truck around to the front door and
Lunday came out and jumped in the truck and said, "Go! Go! Go!"
About two blocks down the street I said "Lunday we've got to go back
to the Globe plant. Joe is not on the truck"
Lunday said, "Keep driving.
Joe is driving the fire truck back"
"But the fire truck
is GFE!" I said. Lunday grinned, "Well I'll be damned, and I
didn't even notice". So that is how Temco got a crash truck --- but
didn't get a standing fan.
POP JOHNSON... (APRIL
From: Christy (Johnson) Catenhauser <email@example.com>
Subject: Pop Johnson
Dear Mr. Arbeau,
My name is Christy (Johnson) Catenhauser and I am Pop Johnson's granddaughter.
I have slowly gathered as much information as I can about his Johnson
Rocket and I am now interested in his original design of the Swift. I
know that he hired a man by the name of John Kennedy (Globe Aircraft Company)
to build the aircraft in the early 1940's. I believe he received certification
for the 85HP model in 1946. I would greatly appreciate any information
or photos that you might want to share. This is one phase of his life
that I am finding hard to research. Thank you for your time, Christy Catenhauser
4821 W. 67th Street
Prairie Village, Ks 66208 ( suburb of Kansas City)
(Editor says: Christy was given contact info for some of the Swifters
who could help her gain more information about her grandfather. If you
have anything that might be of help please email her. Some of the responses
will follow in this and, if necessary, future updates.)
From: Christy (Johnson) Catenhauser <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: Pop Johnson
Denis - Thank you for the additional information. I will be in contact
with everyone you mentioned. I received an e-mail from Mark Holliday and
have hopes of meeting him in Minneapolis sometime soon. I have pictures
of Pop with with the original Regent and Johnson Rockets as well as other
material I would like to share. I can't tell you how excited I am to possibly
ride in one of his planes. I've always wanted a pilot's license and now
might be the time to pursue that dream. All of Pop's son's (Ed, Dave and
C.O. (my father) flew for major airlines. Unfortunately, I lost my dad
24 years ago to cancer. Again, thank you for your help! Christy
Subj: Re: Pop Johnson
From: Mark Holliday <MarkH85@aol.com>
Hi Christy, My name is Mark Holliday, I received a cc of your email to
Denis Arbeau. I am a Swift owner and own 2 of the 3 remaining Texas Bullets,
that your grandfather designed in the late 40's. One of my Bullets is
flyable and the other is awaiting restoration. The third is owned by Robert
Brown of Atlanta GA. The original Johnson Rocket prototype is in Florida
and for sale, as the owner died about a year ago. James Wilkins of Tyler
Texas, who did a presentation on the Texas Bullet to the Tyler Historical
Society a few years ago said someone should do a biography on Pop Johnson.
The never completed second Regent Rocket is in my area also (Minneapolis).
I think that was the final aircraft your grandfather designed. If I can
be of any help to you please let me know. Regards, Mark
From: Cotton Conder <FiveNoTrmp@aol.com>
Subject: Pop Johnson
Received your E-mail yesterday. This brings back many memories of those
days 56 years ago. Will give you what I remember. You are right , your
Grandfather was eccentric, and he always wore a hat, even when he was
working. Your Grandfather was gone from Globe Aircraft when I arrived
in early 1946. He had set up shop on Meacham Field in Ft. Worth just about
5 miles from the Globe plant. In the early part of 1946 several Globe
personnel and I visited your Grandfathers shop where he had two Rockets
in work. I met him and looked over his Rockets. They were way ahead of
the times. The original Swift your Grandfather designed looked very much
like an airplane built by the Culver Aircraft Corp. called the Culver
Cadet. It had 65 HP engine and was mostly covered with fabric. He did
not get credit for the original certification of the GC1, s/n 2 in March
1942. After WW11 we, at Globe, got the FAA (production) certificate for
the 85 HP GC 1A all metal Swift, and eventually the 125HP GC 1B. During
these busy times I lost track of your Grandfather's progress with the
Rockets, but when Temco took over Globe and I went to Temco to work in
1947 I noticed he had rented space from Temco. I went into his small section
of the plant and talked to him again. At this time he had a secured area
of the plant behind locked doors. He was working on a sleek designed aircraft
he told me he was going to call the Texas Bullet. I believe his intentions
were for Bob McCulloch & Temco to mass produce the Bullet, but something
happened to change his mind and he moved his whole operation to Longview,
TX and located on the Gregg County Airport. I took temporary leave from
Temco about that time to fly a Grumman Mallard for an Oil Co. in Ft. Worth,
and I again lost track of your Grandfather. There is a book written by
Stanley Thomas in 1996, titled, "The Globe/Temco Swift Story".
This books chapter 2 is devoted to your Grandfather and the early days,
with pictures. You can order this book from: Sporty's Pilot Shop (pn M503A)
Clarmont/County/Sporty's/airport Batavia, OH 45103 www.sporty's.com/shoppilot/53.
I believe most of your questions will be answered in this book. If you
are not able to find this book please get back with me and I will find
it for you someplace. When I think of your Grandfather as an aircraft
designer I put him in a category with men like Al and Art Mooney, Walter
Beech and Mr. Cessna, who designed some of the most practical general
aviation aircraft ever built. Unfortunately, he just didn't get the breaks
needed to get this kind of project going in a big way. I want you to know
I am available to assist you in any way. Just send me an E-mail any time.
-- Cotton Conder
DID THE POP JOHNSON/GLOBE "GC-1 s/n 1" BECOME THE PROTOTYPE
JOHNSON ROCKET??? (APRIL 03)
In the April Swift Museum Foundation newsletter, SMF President Charlie
Nelson addressed the possible connection between the Pop Johnson designed
and built Globe GC-1 s/n 1 and his prototype Johnson Rocket. The restored
Rocket was at Sun n Fun this year and the two photos Charlie published
in the newsletter showing the GC-1 "way back when" and the Rocket
at SnF were quite provacative! I emailed Swift historian Allan Erickson
regarding his thoughts and he replied as followed...
Subject: Re: Globe GC-1 vs Prototype Johnson Rocket
From: "Allan Erickson" <email@example.com>
Check my Sept 2001 newsletter. This is old news.
The "newsletter" Allan refers to is his excellent Southern California
Swift Wing newsletter. It might be old news to the relatively few Swifters
who receive that newsletter so Allan has given me permission to share
with you here what he wrote back in Sept ‘01...
SWIFT/ROCKET SPECULATION (SCSW Newsletter, September 2001)
Most of you are probably familiar with the prototype Johnson Rocket because
of its almost identical appearance to the war years X model wooden Swifts.
The Rocket has been completely restored by Leonard McGinty of Thonotoasassa,
FL. It is based at the Zephyrhills Florida Municipal Airport and is for
sale for $100,000. Both wooden Swifts were designed by Pop Johnson. It
is interesting that the first wooden Swift NX17688 s/n 1, was scraped
on April 14, 1942, the same time that Pop Johnson left Globe. Four months
later, on August 10, 1942 Johnson applied for registration for the Rocket
prototype. Three months after that, on November 23, 1942 and on the same
airfield, Pop Johnson had an almost identical airplane flying, the Johnson
Rocket Prototype. Even more interesting is the fact that in the 60’s the
Rocket was based here on the West Coast and was owned by Robbie Robinson
who is now at Whiteman Airport. Robbie stated that he was told that the
Rocket was in fact built from one of the Globe Swift prototypes. How is
it that this rumor followed this airplane from Texas to California?
The present owner doubts
that this airplane could be one of the Globe’s. The Rocket has a fabric
covered fuselage and wooden wings whereas the Swift had a wooden fuselage
and fabric covered wings. But consideration must be taken in as to how
(Globe Chief Engineer) Bud Knox modified the second wooden Swift NX17690,
s/n 2, to become NX17640 which was the true prototype for the production
Swift. ‘690’s fuselage went from wood to a metal cover on top with fabric
covering the sides and bottom. The wings appear to have been covered with
wood. The only way these airplanes were identified as being the same was
by the CAA documentation.
The point being made is that Bud Knox modified the 690 airframe from that
of wood to one of wood, fabric, and metal, the same as the Johnson Rocket.
Pop Johnson could have done likewise with wooden Swift NX17688 s/n 1,
upgrading the engine and the airframe to become the Johnson Rocket. It
is unlikely that Pop could have built the Rocket in seven months from
scratch. Remember this was war time, nothing was to be had, not even balsa
wood (Mosquito Bombers). This is speculation... But reasonable speculation.
I want to thank Mark Holliday,
I think, for bringing this subject and these airplanes once again back
into focus. There may never be an answer on this and then again there
may still be a Globe employee left out there who can say yes or no. Pop
Johnson’s rocket is a beautiful little airplane. Mark Holliday saw the
Rocket at Sun n Fun several years ago and showed interest in adding it
to his stable but if I remember right, he purchased a Cessna 195 instead.
Geeez! Hope this airplane ends up in a Swifter’s hangar or in the Swift
Museum Foundation. -- Allan Erickson, Sept. ‘01
MORE JOHNSON ROCKET VS
SWIFT FROM A ROCKET OWNER... (APRIL 03)
Subject: Swift Newsletter, Swift/Johnson Rocket Relationship
From: Orval Fairbairn <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I have Johnson Rocket 185 S/N 11 and am aware of the Pop Johnson relationship
to the Swift. After talking at length to Charlie Nelson at Sun 'N Fun
and parking alongside him and the protptype Johnson Rocket taildragger
there, and after reviewing the Swift Website, I am now convinced that
the Rocket 125 was originally the GC-1 Swift, rebuilt as a different airplane
-- namely the Rocket 125. Differences appear in the engine/cowl installation
and the vertical fin/rudder. The rest of the plane appears to be the same.
It is also cutious that the first five Rocket 185s carried registration
numbers NX(C) 33339 through 33344, and that the first metal Swift was
33340. I don't know when the switch on that number took place, however.Please
sign me up for your discussion/email list. Orval R. Fairbairn, Daytona
IS IT A GLOBE, OR A TEMCO, OR BOTH??? (MAY 03)
From: Robert Nye <email@example.com>
Subject: Swift N24SE nee: NC78151
Jim-- This is in response to your request in the newsletter a few weeks
ago. My Swift GC-1B's s/n is 2151 and the plate on the tail says it was
manufactured on 09-24-46. I have a letter from the second owner's son
that says,… "my Dad bought it second hand in 1946." He also
sent a picture (which doesn't show the N-number) dated October 1946… He
also included three other photos dated 1948 and 1949 which do show NC78151
printed vertically on the tail. I don't have the original logbook. Mine
starts on Oct. 2, 1963 at 723 hours and states: "Aircraft time taken
from recording tach time verified by telephone with former owner located
in Minneapolis, Minnesota." I know this is a bit vague but it's what
I have. Hope it helps. Bob Nye.
P. S. I liked your quote at the beginning of the Swift website that I
put it on my hangar wall. It seems to help with the local know-it-all
nose dragger crowd…
(Editor says... If I’m understanding Swift history correctly, the "78"
series of "N" numbers are the Swifts that were built by Temco
under contract to Globe so they would be "Temco built Globe Swifts...Right???)
---SWIFT SERIAL NUMBER LISTING GOT AN INTERESTING UPDATE... (MAY 03)
Jim Montague is constantly sending updates to the Swift serial number
listing on the website. Mostly related to new caretakers but also other
bits of info and the occasional discovery of a Swift that Jim previously
did not have info for. But here is an update of particular interest.
In the section of the GTS Homepage that has the serial number listing
for the GC-1A Swifts:
Globe GC-1 & GC-1A
the information on the GC-1 s/n1 and GC-1 s/n2, along with the relationship
to the prototype Johnson Rocket 125 has been addressed. Also, a link has
been provided to the page on the "X Swifts" that is found in
the section of the website on Swift history.
The direct link to the Swift history section of the GTS Homepage is:
We are trusting that
Swift historian Allan Erickson, SMF President Charlie Nelson, and Johnson
Rocket owner Orval Fairbairn will look over these website pages and offer
any additions or corrections that may be needed.
LUSCOMBE SWIFT??? (JULY 03)
Just when ya think you know all there is to know about Swifts this deal
For Sale: 1951 LUSCOMBE SWIFT GC-1B, Sliding Canopy, 210 hp 1287 SMOH,
200appx STOH. 2495 TTAF NO Damage History. Tail Beef up kit. Excellent
paint Imron Blue Met. Same Owner last 35 yrs, Always Hangered. 9 gal aux.
Plus Operational Tip tanks. 60+gals fuel. Has Autopilot, Swiftronics totalizer,
KX155 Nav-Com Apollo 612B Loran. Comes with Spare McCauley prop, Stock
Wing tips, Spare Canopy Lens (had both sides but one was broken) Also
included in sale, Garmin 295 GPS. Not just a Swift but One of only 10
Luscombe Swifts built and about the 5th or 6th to last Swift built. Make
"OLE BLUE" a NEW home today!!! ASKING $80.000.00. Contact Arthur
Douse 954-567-4949 (Go to the for sale section of the GTS Homepage website
to see photos...)
So... Of course I go running to our Swift historian Jim Montague and he
"In 1951, I believe, Temco consolidated their light plane operations
under the name "Luscombe". N2460B is a Luscombe Swift and several
documents in the aircraft papers refer to that fact. I haven't looked
at the paperwork in a long time but I could do that. -- Jim"
Jim went looking and sent me a copy of the factory invoice for N2460B,
s/n 3760, the last Swift built. The "manufacturer" is listed
as "The Luscombe Aircraft Corp." Located in Garland, TX. Jim
thinks it is possible that the last 10 production Swifts may have been
built there. By the way, the invoice shows a price of $4495 and a discount
of $950. Such a deal...
Now all this is truly interesting information. But please don’t start
any rumors that I’m gonna change the name of the website to "GTLS
WHEN YOU KNOW ABOUT IT AND SEE HOW WRONG THEY GET IT YOU WONDER IF YOU
CAN TRUST WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE... (JULY 03)
From: Jim Montague <Swift31B@aol.com>
Subject: Plane & Pilot
The August issue of Plane & Pilot has a little article mentioning
As usual, it is full of errors.
......many GC-1A's wound up converted to 125 hp......
.....many GC-1B's were engineeered with 145, 150, 180 and 200 horses.......
....Built from 1946 to 1950,.....wrong!
.....was not much faster than a Cessna 170, about 120 knots......hmm,
thats quite a bit.
In the photo caption the useful load is given as 954 lb. Well, maybe that
was just a typo. The cruise here is 130 knots! The price is given as $26,000
and the picture is of Dorothy Goldings airplane which is currently for
sale at $115,000 -- Jim
ONE MORE SWIFT SERIAL
NUMBER MYSTERY SOLVED... (SEPT 03)
As Jim Montague carries on with his continuing quest to account for
every Swift serial number, he finds that some of the blanks get filled
in with interesting stories. Here is an example...
To: Terry Stewart <firstname.lastname@example.org>
From: Jim Montague <Swift31B@aol.com>
I have been communicating with Don Mahn. He was telling about N78212 which
he tells was discovered in the Chiricahua Mountains with two skeletons
and a lot of cash on board. What year was it discovered? Can you tell
me more? This sounds like a fascinating story. -- Jim Montague
Regarding Swift N78212, The story I get from some of the locals is the
aircraft went missing around the spring of 1957 during a spring snow storm.
A local rancher/guide led searches for several years looking for the wreckage
as he had heard the aircraft fly over during the storm. He never found
the plane even though the family of the owner continued to hire him for
several years in order to find the remains of their loved ones. Sometime
in the mid '60s a forest ranger, looking for sites to develop helispots
for firefighters stumbled onto the wreckage on the east slope of Chiricahua
Peak near Ojo Agua Fria Spring.
I was led to believe the men on board were employees of North American
Aircraft and they had a large sum of money with them. The money, documents,
etc. were found intact in a briefcase at the wreckage site. The remains
of the pilot and passenger were found in the wreckage or close by. I believe
one or possibly both had survived the wreck and died of exposure. I do
have the data plate from the aircraft. The remains of the wreckage were
destroyed a few years ago in the Rattlesnake Fire that swept across Chiricahua
Peak and the surrounding area. The Plane was never removed because it
was in a wilderness area even though I tried several times to offer to
clean it up for the forest service. Sincerely, Terry Stewart (formerly
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