MONTY THE ANSWER MAN ARCHIVE... BUYING A SWIFT -- Page 2 HOW TO HELP THE SWIFT BUG BITE... (11699) The following is an email by Swifter Ed Lloyd which he sent to new Swifter Steve Whittemberger concerning what's involved with becoming a Swift "caretaker". Good stuff follows... From: Ed Lloyd <edlloydaustin@juno.com> Subject: Swift Info Hi Steve, I would say go fly one before you get all your hopes built up only to find out it's not what you expected. Keep in mind, this is an airframe that is over fifty years old and if you've got ideas of going out and doing acro each time you fly, you might want to reconsider that notion. I do occasional acro in mine but I treat the ole bird with kid gloves. There have been god only knows how many owners in the past that probably haven't done that and I'm thinking about self preservation along with the airplane. You are probably right when you say there are no two Swifts alike other than those that have been restored to original by current "caretakers" as Denis Arbeau likes to say. Are there any Swift "beartraps" out there? You betcha, and you've got to be wise enough to avoid them. The way to do that is to get to know all you can about the airplane. Join the Swift Foundation and get the book package that they offer on the airplane. A world of information there. Know what's original and what's not. When something appears that is not original, that should flag you to the aircraft records to see if it was done legally and is properly documented. If not, beware. That could cost you lots of money and heartache the first time you try to run the airplane through an annual inspection. If it's not done properly you may have a situation on your hands that requires "unmodifying" what was done to get back to the original Type Certificate configuration. I think you get the jest of what I'm saying. The way to avoid this situation is have a SWIFT KNOWLEDGEABLE mechanic, not just any A&P, do a pre-buy inspection for you. You must have an understanding with the seller before the inspection, what will be done if there are problems that arise. DON' USE AN A&P THAT DOESN'T KNOW SWIFTS. The going rate for most A&Ps is $40 an hour. You don't need to be a math wizard to figure out you can run up one hell of a bill when the airplane goes in a shop for work. That brings me to the next thought. I don't know what your mechanical abilities are, but the more you can do under the watchful eye of an A&P, the less costly your venture will be. There is an FAA pamphlet you should get and read, FAA-P-8740-29, titled, "Meet Your Aircraft". It's part of the FAA aviation safety program. It tells you what you can do in maintaining your aircraft, legally, as the owner. You can plan on an annual inspection costing $ 1000 to $1400. You can lower that by "opening" up the airplane yourself. In other words, pull the cowling, fairings, etc to facilitate the inspection and then put them back on. Every little bit will help. Herein lies the relationship with your A&P. Ask him to let you do what you can to expedite his work and save you money. Now for cost in operating your Swift. These statements are going to be very nebulous because of widely varying costs across the country. What will your hanger cost per month? Do you own a hanger? If not, you can go anywhere from $80 to $600 a month. Believe it or not, the management at the new Bergstrom-Austin airport were asking $600 a month for an enclosed hanger! What they were saying was, we don't want GA aircraft around. Insurance is going to depend on your ratings, total time, hangered or not, and taildragger experience. The company I used was AUA, Aviation Unlimited Agency in Greensboro, NC. They specialize in insuring antique aircraft and were highly recommended by a longtime Swifter. My qualifications put me in the $1100 a year range for what I consider good coverage, on the ground and in the air. I have a 145 Cont. Normal operating fuel consumption around the airport, touch and gos, etc., you can expect about 10-11 GPH. Cruising at 4 to 5K, leaned, look for about 8.3 GPH. No wind ground, about 115-118Kts or roughly 135 MPH. The guys that drive 180s talk about a cruise in the 175 range. Most anything from a 150 engine on up will have a constant speed prop. Along with that comes the additional problems of ADs and oil leaks and just more maintenance possibilities. Your call here. Oil will run you about $2.00 Qt. You should plan on oil changes at least each 25 Hrs. Do it yourself and save the labor. I'll let you do the math per hr cost. I'm afraid if I do it, it will scare me. I agree with Denis, I wanted the Swift, I knew it wouldn't be cheap, no aircraft is, so I bought it and I'm not sorry I did. Where to start looking? Call Joe Ranson at Swift Parts and milk his brain. Look at Denis' web site and what is offered there, look in trade-a-plane, visit the web addresses that Denis has on his web page. Go to a Swift fly-in within driving range. That's how I found mine. It was a stroke of luck. I looked for six months, including driving from Austin to Swift Nationals in Athens, TN. I looked at every airplane there to get a feel for what the Swift was all about. Talked with a bunch of Swift owners and learned through their mistakes. CAUTION: If you fly a 210 Swift you may get hooked, The price goes up drastically along with operating costs! Steve I'm just about out of ideas to pass on to you. If I can answer any specifics, don't hesitate to drop me an email anytime. You need to e-mail Jim Montague (monty747@aol.com) and see what he can offer to help you that I have not covered. He's always glad to help, as we all are in the Swift World. Parting shot, you buy a Swift and you buy into a very large and caring family of folks that work together to help each other keep their Swifts honed and flying. Attachment to an airplane like the Swift can only be described as affection. Cheers and check six.................Ed Lloyd N3856K THE "DOLLAR RIDE"...
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McMinn Airport, Athens, TN (adjacent to Swift Association) 423-745-7578 There are other Swift shops on the east coast. Check the web site location mentioned above. I own a near stock Swift with an O-300-B engine that I have flown IFR on various occasions. I do not have a vac pump or venturi so all my gyros are electric. Because I don't have a back-up source of power for the gyros if I do ANY IFR at all it is just to climb or approach through a relatively shallow cloud layer. Here on the west coast we frequently get a "marine layer" that usually is only about 1000 feet thick so it is not much to punch through. I do not do any prolonged or "hard core" IFR because as I mentioned before all my gyro "eggs" are in one basket. Flying a Swift IFR is not difficult but it's not Cessna 172 / Bonanza / King Air stable either. It's a good workout for your cross-check and multi-task abilities. If I was setting-up a Swift for more than very casual IFR I would at least install a "wing-leveler" of some sort if not a full blown autopilot. Let me know if I can be of any more help! -- Denis GOOD ADVICE FOR A WANNA
BE... (020100) Mike: Most Swifts are hobby projects by the owner/pilots. "Ozzie's Ride -- Miguel Nelson's Swift -- was formerly owned by Frank Borman and has been extensively modified by professionals, both formerly and with the present owner. I know it has a Continental IO-360 engine, smooth skin wings, and a wet winged centersection, and I think, stick controls. Lately, since Miguel has owned it, the work has been done by Don Bartholomew of Minden, NV -- Email: spectro@nanosecond.com Don has own private strip and specializes in Swift rebuilding and modifications. << Where would I go to study the mods done on a ride like his, costs involved, etc.?>> You could write or call Don 775-782-2992 The Swift association has several books available you could get. Read the Swift Home Page thoroughly. I'm sure you realize if you have all that type of work done professionally it can cost some serious money. << Also, where would you recommend I search for accurate values of existing Swifts, with vs w/o such mods? Last, where is the best source of Swift performance stats before vs after such mods?>> Nearly every magazine article I have read has some glaring errors. There is a department on the Home Page listing every magazine article on the Swift since 1946. Big engine, modified Swifts go for $50K to $100K commonly. You will have to talk to an owner to get numbers. A good big engine Swift will run red line airspeed. (185 mph, 161 knots) Performance varies a lot. A stock airframe with a 210 hp engine will cruise in the 150 - 165 mph range. As you may note, I'm cc'ing this note to Don Bartholomew and Denis Arbeau, the Home Page webmaster, perhaps they can add something. -- Jim
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